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Post by Maelstrom on Apr 27, 2015 21:32:01 GMT -6
The GM and I have looked at the results of the first poll and discussed the situation. Here’s what we’re thinking.
We’re proposing that a maximum of two active characters be allowed. This would only apply for established players who have proven they are consistent in their posting and courteous where absences are concerned.
Additionally, all players have an option to retire characters through death, retirement, and etc. Since relationships between characters and character development are one of the best parts of this RP, though, we are going to need to institute a means of keeping switching from going out of control.
The two-character privilege may be revoked if it is abused or if a player goes through an unexcused/unexplained AFK privilege. As always, new characters will still need to be approved by one of the GMs.
There are a few situations that concern us, and we’re looking for some feedback on ways to prevent these before moving on to the next stage. Feel free to present any other concerns you have and possible solutions.
1) Min-maxing- Creating one character to make up for the deficiencies of another.
2) Swaying game-flow- A player with two characters attempting to sway the game their way by having them agree rather than having them follow their natural inclinations.
3) One player’s characters forming an unfair clique (without GM approval) similar to what happened with Iskra, Malik, and Morgan.
4) Rampant character switching.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 22:13:07 GMT -6
My answer for all the situations is the same: One (or both) of the GMs privately contact the player(s) involved and tell them to knock it off. If the offending parties cooperate, carry on as normal. If not, boot them out.
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Post by spartan560 on Apr 28, 2015 7:18:36 GMT -6
I agree with Naetilia
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Post by Maelstrom on May 9, 2015 1:42:04 GMT -6
Does anyone else have anything to contribute on this point before the GM and I start moving forward with things?
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Post by dargene on May 9, 2015 4:20:41 GMT -6
I do like what Naetilia said, If a offending party does this then the GMs should contact and try to resolve the issue, if failed to resolve you should have the privilege revoked and allow the player to only have one, until a time you deem or they can prove that they have learned their lesson and want to try again.
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Post by Weyrloc Karn on May 9, 2015 14:49:54 GMT -6
I pretty much agree to everyone else's points with this.
With myself holding two characters, it's not really something for anything big. Just one for small things, another for bigger things. Most actions I commit are usually under GM permission.
So to bring it to the point, anything against the GM's, is always going to be a problem.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 1:12:21 GMT -6
Just as an FYI, Iskra, Morgan, and Malik were played by three different people. But glad to see we made the rulebook and miss you guys too.
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Post by Maelstrom on May 21, 2015 3:12:59 GMT -6
That's always been understood.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 13:48:43 GMT -6
Then I am very sorry for playing my character the way I thought she should be played without talking to the GM first. I thought all of you enjoyed Iskra and I was considering rolling a new character but it's clear that I don't know the rules and I rather not create drama.
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Post by Maelstrom on May 21, 2015 16:41:26 GMT -6
I don't think anyone's ever said they don't like Iskra Narei or her character development. In fact, if you read everything that's been posted, including my posts, I think you'll find that she was one of the most beloved characters on here.
I think that, intentionally or not, there were a few players who got together, came up with some admittedly good ideas, and just didn't get together with the GM on them before implementing them (the execution of the prisoners being the most immediate example to come to mind). That sort of thing happens easily when there's a subset of the group that's not keeping in close touch with the others. The reason this was brought up is because it would be really easy for one person with two characters to get caught up in an idea, which veers away from what the rest of the group is working on, and therefore to steer the RP in a different direction.
I was also referring to the way in which Iskra, Malik, and Morgan split off from the rest of the group to pursue their own agendas from what the rest of the team was doing. When there are multiple players and there's reasonable background and setup, which there was in the case of those three characters, it's not a problem. Again, though, when one person has two characters, there could very easily be a problem. It's easy for a person's natural inclinations to draw those two together, and you have to be careful not to create unrealistic or unfair biases. I'm the first one doing the two-character experiment, and I have to say, I've had to stop myself a few times from having Maelstrom or Maricus give each other unfair complements or mental appraisals of each other given their established backgrounds and traits.
If that offended you, I'm sorry, but it was an in-game example that acted as a good and concise illustration of a concept that (as you can see above) takes multiple paragraphs to clearly outline.
I hope life's been treating you well, Kelsey, and I hope you've still been writing. I'm sure everyone on the RP who's read your work would agree that you have an amazing talent.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 17:34:43 GMT -6
I just wished I had been talked to. Editing is not hard or giving an explanation of motivations of the post. And it saves people from hurt feelings especially when I did talk to the GM about every post. I'm an adult and can take critism, I'm not sure what got lost in translation but the only thing that didn't get approval before or after the fact was Iskra's death.
I appreciate what you're trying to explain I just don't particularly enjoy finding out there was this big of an issue being thrown around about me after I left on good terms I thought.
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Post by Game Master on May 21, 2015 18:00:53 GMT -6
I am unaware of any hurt feelings. When I evaluate actions, I always take player feedback into account. So even if something happened which was against a plan I had, player action is what counts. I prefer letting things occur organically in game. If a player explains what is going on and the logic of the consequences of an action, I am perfectly fine with what happened.
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Post by Jon Waggoner on May 22, 2015 1:28:48 GMT -6
Hey guys, Shannon here, former rp partner of both MZ and Kelsey. Had an account on here for some time but never quite got round to joining the game. In case anyone was wondering Kelsey has been banned from the forum, presumably so she would not have a chance to get any last word in.
It's not very brave or GM like to spout off your last words after you banned her IP address (even though she already deleted Iskra's account for you) or block her on Facebook (even though she already unfriended you). Or changing the posts on the thread to paint yourself in a positive light for the rest of the forum. Have you been taking lessons from Volian?
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Post by Game Master on May 22, 2015 1:39:45 GMT -6
Save the drama for someone else, Shannon. Any editing that is done is documented. Look on the lower right side of each post. You can see who edited and didn't edit. My only response on this shows that it was not edited. So unless you have something we call "proof", please do not make baseless accusations.
The decision for banning her was made between the GMs of this game while she was still logged on. The post that was put up was up for about 10 minutes before she was banned. She was banned because she was causing needless drama. This is a game, Shannon. A game. Meant for fun. She wasn't having fun. That's fine. I want to make sure this game is fun. That's it.
My decisions on who to block or not to block on facebook is my decision and mine alone. I do not talk about it as it is not appropriate.
I will leave this post up for 10 minutes, then you will be blocked as well, to make sure you see this message.
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Post by Jon Waggoner on May 22, 2015 1:46:12 GMT -6
I was referring to the Malestorm post which clearly says it was edited by the GM.
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Post by Game Master on May 22, 2015 1:48:05 GMT -6
That was edited because it said something inappropriate and was not in the spirit of GM objectivity. I already spoke to Maelstrom about the need for GMs to be impartial.
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Post by Joe Fischer on May 22, 2015 1:50:08 GMT -6
"...presumably so she would not have a chance to get any last word in."
"Presumably"?
Before you start throwing around accusations like that, you better be sure, because you're talking about one of the most righteous people I have had the good fortune to meet. I've been gaming with him for over 15 years, mostly as a player to his GM, and he ALWAYS works with his players if there's a problem. For you to say that goes against everything I know about him, so you better be damn well ready to back it up.
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Post by Jon Waggoner on May 22, 2015 1:51:18 GMT -6
Also, why am I getting blocked? Am I to assume I'm not welcome because of my support of KD?
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Post by Jon Waggoner on May 22, 2015 1:52:51 GMT -6
"...presumably so she would not have a chance to get any last word in."
"Presumably"?
Before you start throwing around accusations like that, you better be sure, because you're talking about one of the most righteous people I have had the good fortune to meet. I've been gaming with him for over 15 years, mostly as a player to his GM, and he ALWAYS works with his players if there's a problem. For you to say that goes against everything I know about him, so you better be damn well ready to back it up. Well I'm getting banned in two minutes so I won't have a chance.
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Post by Game Master on May 22, 2015 1:54:51 GMT -6
You are being blocked, Shannon, because you came on here and lobbied baseless accusations. I am tired of drama. I'd rather have fun gaming instead. Go back to your game.
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